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Karnataka Power Transmission Corporation Limited (KPTCL) is a registered company under the Companies Act, 1956 was incorporated on 28-7-1999 and is a company wholly owned by the Government of Karnataka with an authorised share capital of Rs. 1000 crores. KPTCL was formed on 1-8-1999 by carving out the Transmission and Distribution functions of the erstwhile Karnataka Electricity Board.

website: http://www.kptcl.com/

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KPTCL Job Openings/ KPTCL Recruitment News
If you are looking for employment opportunities at KPTCL, visit the Careers page on company website www.kptcl.com for latest recruitment notice including current job vacancies and results of past exams:

http://www.kptcl.com/Careers.htm

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Discussion Board1182 comments

Re: job

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2014-06-01 06:25:01) /182.72.141.198

Dear sir/madam
Im completed my diploma in electronics & communication and i want to know when will opening
starts and im 2013 passed outs candidate please inform 9845020878

Re: JOB ITI ELECTRICIAN

Posted by Girish H K, (2012-12-22 15:17:55) /117.218.55.232

i'am Girish H K Hosadurga i compeleted 'electrician ITI & apprentice incompelted & 'computer basic knowelege please inform me any job
my id:- girish_hk@ymail.com

Re:

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2012-10-11 09:08:10) /115.241.26.204

Hi i have completed BE ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS i am 2012 passed out , i want to know when is recruitment of AE for 2012 passed outs? will there be technical written test or selection is based on merit ,please inform me my mail id is lathar122@gmail.com

Re: RECRUITMENT OF AE

Posted by AE, (2012-09-11 11:51:48) /101.63.254.191

Sir i have completed BE ELECTRICAL AND ELECTRONICS i am 2012 passed out , i want to know when is recruitment of AE for 2012 passed outs? will there be technical written test or selection is based on merit ,please inform me my mail id is pooja.kore2911@gmail.com

Re: recruitment result

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2012-07-12 19:31:30) /101.220.80.164

Hi, **sir**
My name is Rahman, i have completed ITI electrician with 85%..Please inform me when will be recruitment result will declared..

Re: Re : Electriction job

Posted by sathya, (2012-05-22 17:32:23) /117.198.111.153

i'am Asha Udupi i compeleted 'electriction ITI & apprentice incompelted & 'computer basic knowelege & cad knowelege '& 1 year work expierence plz please inform me any job
my id:- ashashetty8f@gmail.com

Re: AE recruitment

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2012-04-16 08:14:52) /117.192.109.185

when is the next AE recruitment in KPTCL(not KPCL)?

Re: result in assistant Engineer post (E&E)

Posted by sunand, (2012-04-01 11:42:17) /115.184.185.115

Sir,
I am attending Asst.Engineers Job recruitment Exam on 27-11-2011. Please Send the result list. if no result list annonced. annonce date will be informed. contact No.9972555429.
Sunand.

Re: suresh.S.N

Posted by SURESH.S.N, (2012-03-20 11:04:08) /27.251.7.244

WHEN IS THE INTIMATION LETTER IS ISSUED? ANY ONE GOT THE MSG ABOUT THIS.IF SO, PLEASE INFORM. (MY CONTACT NO IS 9964445726

Re: kptcl Electriction job any 'sir'

Posted by electriction ITI job, (2011-12-15 08:40:22) /223.190.41.53

i'am praveen magadum i compeleted 'electriction ITI 'and with 'computer basic knoweleg' so that.your job information me ple sir.
my id:- praveen.magadum1@gmail.com
my num:- 9986455506,9731418059,

thank you sir.

Re: kemparamaiah .l

Posted by kemparamaiah l, (2011-12-07 19:53:52) /122.179.46.185

im turner and computer basic dtp tally hord were
my number 9164758983

Re: job in kptcl

Posted by electrician, (2011-10-06 19:02:26) /117.241.240.131

resp.sir i am jeevan suryawanshi. ITI electrician & apprentice compelted. plz.inform me when requarment in kptcl. my ph.no. 9008644020,9620398949

Re: Sir,

Posted by Thejaswini, (2011-09-09 13:42:12) /117.198.254.129

My name Thejaswini.M
I Completed Diplamo in CS. If any Job for me Please inform.
My No: 9964217696,
Mail Id: Theju_megha@rediffmail.com

Re:

Posted by mohan, (2011-07-24 22:13:20) /117.254.117.180

is any job in KPTCL For Diploma Mechanical(MTT)

Re: waiting job i n kptcl

Posted by kiran, (2011-07-19 11:24:58) /59.90.138.109

i am kiran i am looking for jobs
in kptcl so please in form my mail id shkiran7@gamail.com
phone 8861463582

Re: waiting job i n kptcl

Posted by kiran, (2011-07-19 11:21:35) /59.90.138.109

i am kiran i am looking for jobs
in kptcl so please in form my mail id shkiran7@gamail.com
phone 8861463582

Re: i want information about requirement of lineman posts

Posted by Nagaraja.B, (2011-07-15 13:52:41) /115.117.241.40

Plz tel me when is next asst.lineman & lineman & gangman posts recruitment process in KPTCL for ITI Electrician,

my name is Nagaraja.b
Ql- ITI (Electrcian -1999-2001)
Mob - 9844937790
E-mail - nagu_3131@yahoo.co.in

Re: HI

Posted by OYOO, (2011-06-28 13:58:35) /62.24.127.137

I HAVE DIP IN ELECTRICOL POWER FIND ME JOB MAIL vikoyoo@yahoo.com

Re:

Posted by Mansoor, (2011-06-28 05:37:28) /65.167.124.2

Hi sir,
this is Mansoor baigsir actualy iam seaching for a job in KPTCL so iam kindly requesting in you that if there is any kind of exam wil be held please let me know.
My email Id is Mansoor.baig1@gmile.com
My contect no is 9916593402

Re: job in kptcl

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2011-06-26 12:19:51) /182.72.231.37

Hi

my name is nagabhushan i have completed iti in electrician 78% in 2006 i am looking for job in kptcl plase let me know my mobile no-9164919478
e mail id-shiva.nagabhushan@gmail.com

Re: Re: Electrician iti year 2010

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2011-06-09 13:37:44) /65.49.14.55

Plz tel me when is recruitment process in KPTCL.
my mob no:09632421152
email id:vinaykumargt.kumar1@gmail.com
Thanks&Regards
vinaykumargt

Re: Electrician iti year2002

Posted by ravi.n.m, (2011-05-31 02:23:54) /59.92.230.4

Plz tel me when is next recruitment process in KPTCL for ITI Electrician

your ravi.n.m

Re: Mallikarjuna

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2011-05-18 11:30:47) /117.242.44.14

Hi..
Plz tel me when is next recruitment process in KPTCL. Pls inform me 9620069960,9538555826.

Re: jobs

Posted by Electrician, (2011-05-11 01:54:57) /114.143.231.220

i have completed my ITI in Electrical & 3 year expierence (siemens ltd) in mumbai airport (bhs system). I am seeking for govt. job in kptcl. please inform me
my mob no:09004289955
email id:rajkumar010689@gmail.com
Thanks&Regards
Rajkumar

Re: call form

Posted by RAJESH, (2011-05-08 14:04:08) /117.204.8.49

when will call form in KPCL

Re: job

Posted by KPTCL, (2011-04-26 10:46:55) /115.241.20.19

hai my name is Srinivas i completed ITI ELECTRICIAN i need a job IN KEB

Re: ITI ELECTRICIAN

Posted by VINAYKUMARGT, (2011-04-18 18:12:40) /65.49.14.47

I have completed my ITI in ELECTRICAL I am seeking for govt. job in kptcl. please inform me
VINAYKUMARGT.KUMAR1@GMAIL.COM

Re: hi munni

Posted by munni, (2011-04-13 13:27:50) /59.99.67.135

hi kanjus am Rajesh, work kane full torcher kane, but i have hope to did itand u also

Re: about training

Posted by Anonymous Guest, (2011-04-12 17:17:31) /117.204.3.210

hay rajesh this is munni how ru how is the mentainance work in station

Re: job

Posted by rummy, (2011-02-26 11:21:24) /117.215.133.109

rummy here any govt job details pls inform me 9035837963

Re: NANJUDA SWAMY

Posted by nanja, (2011-02-24 12:22:14) /59.92.179.95

HAI PLS INFROM ME AFTER CALL KPTCL 9742981244

Re: ITI ELCTRONIC MECHANIC

Posted by SANTU, (2011-01-21 15:08:00) /117.242.44.180

ITI ELCTRONIC MECHANIC PLZ GOV JOB INFORM ME

Re: recruitment information

Posted by shivanand , (2011-01-10 12:32:43) /59.165.174.10

I have completed ITI in Fitter trade I am seeking govt. job, when call form comes please inform me.

Re: iti

Posted by gangadhar.meti@yahoo.com, (2011-01-10 09:47:20) /117.99.97.239

i have completed my ITI in Electronic mechanic. I am seeking for govt. job in kptcl. please inform me

Re: Any Job opportunities for B,com Holders?

Posted by Pradeep S>kubsad, (2010-12-26 12:30:45) /122.179.97.132

Any Job opportunities for B,com Holders?

Re: job

Posted by Vazeed Ali P, (2010-12-22 15:17:08) /119.151.70.16

Hi..
Plz tel me when is next recruitment process in KPTCL for ITI Electrician

Re: how long B.E graduates hav to wait?

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-12-06 20:40:37) /59.96.39.92

can u plz tel me how long B.E graduates hav to wait?

Re:

Posted by JK, (2010-12-06 13:39:46) /27.107.120.77

THEY WILL CALL ONLY FOR DIPLOMA AND ITI CANDIDATES ONLY BUT BE STUDENTS HAVE TO WAIT.

Re: i want Govt Job

Posted by MOHAN KUMAR, (2010-11-30 13:31:28) /59.97.42.85

Please inform to me, i am waiting for govt job, please

Re: hi friend all the best

Posted by vijendra, (2010-11-17 12:50:52) /117.200.113.199

hi

Re: wishes

Posted by rajesh , (2010-11-17 12:19:21) /117.200.113.199

hi

Re: RECRUITMENT IN KPTCL?????????

Posted by Bhagyashree, (2010-11-11 14:15:53) /59.92.137.3

Hi..
Plz tel me when is next recruitment process in KPTCL for AE's?????

Re: kptcl recruitment?????????????????

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-11-03 15:14:43) /59.96.45.71

is there any recruitment process in kptcl for fresh b.e graduates??????
plz Tel me if anybody knows

Re:

Posted by Nagaraj , (2010-10-30 18:42:53) /117.204.0.188

hi i had completed diploma in mech N presently am doing final year BE ..i want to do job in kptcl.. when will call form pls give me information about that ..

Re: Mutual exchange for Mahalinpur, Bagalkot

Posted by Pampapathi, (2010-10-28 19:30:24) /202.62.93.68

Hi friends,
My wife got selected to KPTCL as AE, she has got posting to Mahalingpur near Bagalkot.
Is anybody from Bangalore, Munirabad, Torangallu, Bellary places interested for Mutual exchange to Mahalingpur, Bagalkot; please kindly let me know.
My contact no. 9986034075.
Thanks,

Re: REGARDING POSTING MUTUAL

Posted by sagar , (2010-10-24 10:43:54) /123.238.83.101

is there anyone frn bijapur or surrounding who wants to get mutual with me............i have got posted to AET sub div BIJAPUR city.............if anyone interested to work in d above place thn contact me as soon as possible...........i will be available in these nos..
9036699464/9620620935 ................

Re: WHEN IS NEXT RECRUITMENT IN KPTCL???

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-10-22 16:24:53) /59.96.32.188

Hi Friends, Plz tel me when is next recruitment for AE's for those who passed out in june 2010,plz inform if anybody knows it who got postings newly....

Re: When is next Recruitment for AE's in KPTCL?

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-10-22 16:16:24) /59.96.32.188

Hi friends, I'm B.E(EEE) graduate,passed out in june 2010,Plz tel me when is next recruitment for freshers in KPTCL?

Re: KPTCL posting of AEs

Posted by Nagaveni, (2010-10-22 13:00:46) /218.248.84.82

hi I am married n have 2 yrs son. so plz give me suggestion with ref to below msg.

Re: KPTCL posting of AEs

Posted by Nagaveni, (2010-10-22 09:56:57) /218.248.84.82

Hi friends.Congratulations to every one.I have been posted to 220Kv Kadavanakote stn, H N Pura. please inform me if anyone r ready for mutual exchange,only B'lore surrounding n Mysore.

Re: seeking for governament jobs

Posted by chandra shekar.P, (2010-10-15 14:27:51) /122.179.95.225

i have completed my ITI in Electronic mechanic. I am seeking for govt. job in kptcl. please inform me

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-09-21 10:45:43) /58.68.5.195

WT ABT THE STUDENT WHO ARE NOT SUBMITTING THE CAST OR INCOME CERTIFICATE

Re: EXAM

Posted by RAGHU, (2010-09-11 09:59:28) /99.93.93.21

guys wat abt exam pattern .. how it will be? how much marks it contains? ..

Re: hubli circle induction training

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-25 18:52:26) /59.161.176.21

hey what abt the induction training details for hubli circle. from where shall we get the details.

Re:

Posted by usha, (2010-08-25 16:14:35) /175.40.223.63

The name shown in 2 batches and details also but diff circles. What is this? What have to do plz tel me anyone

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-25 12:31:35) /58.68.5.195

wt abt da candidate who are not submited the caste or income certificate

Re: Mangalore HRD

Posted by hemanth, (2010-08-20 13:27:58) /122.166.102.220

hi all

Plz contact me who r all selected for training in Mangalore HRD

Re:

Posted by je, (2010-08-19 21:29:12) /175.40.216.138

Hai frnds plz plz tell me about test

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-18 17:56:56) /59.145.121.131

Hello everyone,
My close friend is placed in Tumkur.Since he belongs to Mysore he wants placement in mysore.If any one from Tumkur placed for mysore will go for mutual transfer by request.Please communicate soon if any.And if any one know the procedure to do that please let me know.

Re: abt je training and letter

Posted by deepika, (2010-08-18 16:31:24) /117.192.43.19

hai friends,

dont worry.i also got letter.
everything is given in the letter u will get .

.....they told to give diploma certificate also .for the persons who have provisional diploma certificate is it ok?...because 2008-09 passed outs will not get diploma certificate that much early naa..please reply....

Re:

Posted by RR, (2010-08-18 13:17:51) /175.40.212.82

Hai friends today i got letter

Re: Appointment letters?

Posted by Raj, (2010-08-17 17:36:41) /122.167.52.128

Hi everyone,

Pls post if you have received appointment letters. As of now only Jayakumar has posted that he has received the letter.Thanks.

Re: posting and training details in website..

Posted by raghu, (2010-08-17 15:20:40) /115.108.9.211

hi all,

They have updated the website..please check it....

Re:

Posted by vbs, (2010-08-17 14:10:47) /122.179.32.199

hii any1 who got training in hubli centre... plz mail me at nhn919@gmail.com.

we will get to knw about each other....

Re: latter

Posted by praveen, (2010-08-17 11:40:18) /117.254.161.69

Hi,
jaya did you get order copy,

I m from hassan, when we get out order copy,
if u know pls send information.

Re: Thanks

Posted by praveen, (2010-08-17 11:38:08) /117.254.161.69

Hi,

Jaya Kumar thank you for your information. keep tuch with us.

Re: U'r from mysore??

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-16 18:04:11) /64.255.180.213

You'r from mysore right? Den how come da reportin place is bangalore? Is it a true info?

Re:

Posted by Rajashekar, (2010-08-16 17:33:52) /59.145.121.131

Jayakumar u got letter?the information given below is from ur letter?pls tell me ur no to 9632074403

Re: To bangalore JE's

Posted by Jayakumar GT, (2010-08-16 16:19:47) /175.40.237.90

Sub: Recruitment of Junior Engineer (Elec.) in KPTCL/ESCOMs.
Ref: 1. Employment Notification No.KPTCL/B16/3439/2008-09 dated 26.8.2009.
2. Final Selection List No.KPTCL/B16/3439/2008-09 dated 20.2.2010.
3. Your Application No.
- - -
1. You have been selected by KPTCL and appointed by the undersigned to the post of
Junior Engineer (Elec.) in the time scale of Rs.5465-165-6455-195-7820-275-9745-330-
11725-385-13265 plus admissible allowances on the terms and conditions detailed
below.
2. You shall report for Training initially at Sir M.V.Auditorium,KEB Engineers’
Association, Race Course Cross Road, Anand Rao Circle, Bangalore on 01.09.2010 at
9 am, subject to issue of reposting order at a later date before completion of the field
Training. Please note that if you fail to report on the specified date, it will be presumed
that you are not interested in the appointment and your claim for appointment shall
automatically stand cancelled without any further intimation to you.
3. You shall produce the following original Certificates/documents at the time of
reporting for Training/duty:
a. SSLC Marks card or Cumulative Record.
b. Diploma Marks Cards and Diploma Certificate.
c. Two copies of recent color Pass-Port size photograph (Front Pose).
d. Relief report from the previous Employer, if working.
e. Medical Certificate signed by a Government Medical Officer not below the rank of
Assistant Surgeon.
You will not be allowed to report for Training/duty, if the aforesaid
certificates/documents are not produced in original and your appointment to the
Organization stands automatically terminated.

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-16 16:00:07) /59.145.121.131

some one told in mysore some people got letter is it true?pls reply who got letter

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-15 20:51:28) /59.92.175.159

Hi guys n gals :)
Did any one got the orders ????
pls..pls pls..let us Know

Re:

Posted by advise or order, (2010-08-13 16:09:36) /175.40.233.194

hi guys.. first share information of appointment order and some relative news... then talk about ur BE and all..
anyhow they will provide facility to complete BE..
after some year experience only*

*conditions apply..

Re: join orkut je community

Posted by raghu, (2010-08-13 10:12:04) /99.18.170.19

Hi Reshma agarwal n Rajashekar

i would like to tell u tat if u want to know more abt ur query or anything come n share in orkut JE community ... u will get more details and many will gv u suggestion... here in oyindia u will false info .. plz join orkut JE community

Re: hi

Posted by raghu, (2010-08-13 10:09:37) /99.18.170.19

Hi Reshma agarwal n Rajashekar

i would like to tell u tat if u wat know more abt ur query or anything come n share in orkut JE community ... if u will more details and many will gv u suggestion... here in oyindia u will false info .. plz join orkut JE community

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-12 14:40:52) /59.145.121.131

Reshma, can u tell where u r persuing BE?Because am also doing in mysore but i have asked post for Bangalore...can u tell me ur no to 9632074403?so i can tell u some solutions

Re: continuing education

Posted by Reshma agarwal, (2010-08-12 12:09:52) /122.252.231.186

"hai freinds ,
any one there who is doing BE like may be first year ,second year,third year or not BE completed till now and got selected as je in kptcl under diploma quota,pls tell me how to complete BE while doing job ,is it possible complet .will kptcl provide a some facility to complete BE pls tell me frinds
I am waiting"

Re:

Posted by Rajashekar, (2010-08-12 11:33:11) /59.145.121.131

Please let me know any one got letter,JE's...and am belongs to bangalore region but doing evening BE in mysore so any one interested to come bangalore for induction training from mysore region, we can ask for the mutual,,,,,if any one like that please give me a cal immediately... 9632074403

Re: HI

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-11 13:28:55) /117.241.241.238

Hi All,

If any one from Gulbarga circle please call me on this no 9590708059

Re: Candidates from Gulbarga Circle

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-11 13:14:12) /117.241.241.238

Hi Guys,
Candidates from GLB circle can give me a call on this no 9590708059

Re: ghj

Posted by jhg, (2010-08-04 07:46:57) /117.204.3.195

at last credit goes for candidates for visistin this site more than usually...!!!!

Re:

Posted by anusha, (2010-08-03 23:36:43) /64.255.164.92

What are the documents to be submited at the time of reporting for je candidates?

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-02 22:55:36) /59.145.121.131

can we attend for training classes in any of the above mentioned places?If any one knows please tell to me and how to cantact that O & M superintendent for collecting offer letter...I think there also money place a role.....

Re: reporteing

Posted by hhh, (2010-08-02 16:26:08) /117.200.104.60

dis month 16th is the reporteing date of je..

Re: Please anyone let me know

Posted by Radha, (2010-08-02 14:40:44) /125.63.78.101

Hi,
anyone know when the training is going to happen for those who submitted the validity certificate in the Last month.


Thanks & Regards,
Radha

Re:

Posted by nithin, (2010-08-02 09:18:14) /202.133.56.11

congratulation friends............

Re: MANGALORE

Posted by jk, (2010-08-02 09:12:54) /202.133.56.11

Kudlada je nakleg congrats....

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-08-01 11:55:27) /59.92.247.161

in hubli candidates are selected as je pleas call me.its helfull to us.
9972666468

YOURS MANTU

Re: happy f day

Posted by mantu, (2010-08-01 11:54:09) /59.92.247.161

in hubli candidates are selected as je pleas call me.its helfull to us.

yours mantu

Re:

Posted by Rajesh , (2010-08-01 11:20:51) /59.99.65.74

Hello friends am Rajesh my native place is kundapura, if any one selected from kundapura & udupi side please contact me becoze its more helpull to us

9964373291

Re: Abt Training

Posted by Jayakumar Kunigal, (2010-07-31 18:30:19) /59.144.60.98

Recruitment of Junior Engineers - Updates

The candidates selected for the post of Junior Engineers in pursuant to this office Employment Notification No.KPTCL/B16/3439/2008-09 dated 26.8.2009 are hereby informed that the options exercised/not opted by them have been verified and their requests have been taken into consideration, as far as practicable, subject to availability. Induction Training from 1.9.2010 is arranged at Bangalore, Mysore, Shimoga, Hubli and Gulbarga Circles. The concerned Superintending Engineers of the O & M Circles will issue orders to the candidates concerned for attending Induction Training.

Re: info for je's

Posted by r, (2010-07-31 18:18:20) /117.192.39.109

did u pleople saw the updates .if not check out.... http://www.kptcl.com/JEUpdates.html

Re: training info

Posted by selected je, (2010-07-31 18:09:34) /117.192.39.109

today i called that kptcl hr no..he told to check website.within 2-3 days they will display..

Re: what yar

Posted by Rajesh, (2010-07-30 19:54:12) /59.92.245.213

some people are gave the wrong information about joining,pls dont give the this type information. if you wana give the details pls conform with higher authority once again and then publish in discussion board,it is well to all of us.

9964373291

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-07-30 17:18:48) /175.40.254.104

sure.. they not following their words..
playing with us

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-07-30 15:43:48) /59.145.121.131

where is the updates for JE's.They are not following what they told.....

Re: AE training

Posted by Radha, (2010-07-30 11:56:46) /125.63.78.101

Hi,
when is the AE training for those who submitted the validity certificate This month.Please let me know if anyone have idea.

Re: testing ma patience:

Posted by vinod mlr, (2010-07-30 00:26:15) /202.133.56.13

k......friend ......be cool.....we wil wait up to januaryyyyy

Re: regarding date of joining for jes

Posted by jk, (2010-07-30 00:22:51) /202.133.56.13

one day day remaining........be patience ma friends......

Re: training and posting for je's will be startinng before august 16th for sure.

Posted by jesmile, (2010-07-29 15:05:34) /117.192.176.113

hii friends,Dont panic for false informaion especially(vaibhav,mamatha,lavanya,jk etc)
:-)
ive been reading the comments on this blog from quite few months,but im afraid and sad many here comment and provide irrelevant and false information.I hav a confirmed news that the posting and training for the je's will be before augst 16th and you will be intimated the same via email,sms,post before august 7th.There is nothing to worry and panic.Keep it cool have patience.(posting is done together before augst 15th for je's)

Re:

Posted by Noname Guest, (2010-07-29 13:24:24) /175.40.121.229

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